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January 2011 Meeting

Post  Tara Voelker on Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:18 pm

Hello! The next to posts are going to be the full transcripts of the early and later meeting. The summaries can be viewed on our website, here.http://igda-gasig.org/success-cases-and-examples/meetings/january-2011/




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Post  Tara Voelker on Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:19 pm

[31/01/11 12:58:36 PM] Tara Tefertiller: sadfasdfsadf
[31/01/11 1:00:44 PM] Barrie Ellis: Barrie Ellis is using an older version of Skype that does not support multi-person chats and therefore can't join
[31/01/11 1:01:32 PM] Tara Tefertiller: any one seeing this?
[31/01/11 1:01:47 PM] Thomas Westin: yes
[31/01/11 1:01:47 PM] Javier Mairena: yes
[31/01/11 1:01:48 PM] Javier Mairena: me!
[31/01/11 1:02:09 PM] Tara Tefertiller: oh good. i know barie isn't. it told me he had to update
[31/01/11 1:02:12 PM] Dan Fischbach: !
[31/01/11 1:02:19 PM] Dan Fischbach: I'm here!
[31/01/11 1:02:22 PM] Dan Fischbach: Hi all!
[31/01/11 1:02:27 PM] Tara Tefertiller added xboxnomad to this chat
[31/01/11 1:02:43 PM] Thomas Westin: hi Dan
[31/01/11 1:02:44 PM] Tara Tefertiller added Sean Harris to this chat
[31/01/11 1:02:53 PM] Tara Tefertiller added Ryan Arndt to this chat
[31/01/11 1:02:54 PM] Dan Fischbach: Hi Tom
[31/01/11 1:03:06 PM] Tara Tefertiller added Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII? to this chat
[31/01/11 1:03:11 PM] Dan Fischbach: ! Ryan!
[31/01/11 1:03:46 PM] Ryan Arndt: yello Dan Very Happy
[31/01/11 1:03:58 PM] Tara Tefertiller added robertalian to this chat
[31/01/11 1:04:08 PM] Thomas Westin: FYI: I'll have to leave the chat for approx 20 minutes soon to put my kids to bed, but I'll catch up.
[31/01/11 1:04:18 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, to start this meeting off, let's just say who all is here and introduce yourself. Also Barrie will be along in a minute, he had to update his skype.
[31/01/11 1:04:39 PM] Ryan Arndt: im on call at same time so ill check in as it comes, thanks for the invite Tara Smile
[31/01/11 1:04:46 PM] Ryan Arndt: ill keep an eye on it
[31/01/11 1:04:51 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Cool Cool
[31/01/11 1:05:03 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, so I'm Tara, the current chairperson
[31/01/11 1:05:15 PM] Tara Tefertiller added Sandra to this chat
[31/01/11 1:05:40 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I've been the one running around trying to get the website and the forums going, and I'm excited to see so many here for the meeting!
[31/01/11 1:06:01 PM] Tara Tefertiller: (now someone else go, lol)
[31/01/11 1:06:18 PM] Thomas Westin: yes really nice to see the website, and all new faces in the meeting
[31/01/11 1:06:38 PM] Tara Tefertiller added Barrie Ellis to this chat
[31/01/11 1:06:45 PM] Tara Tefertiller: You here Barrie?
[31/01/11 1:06:48 PM] Sandra: Hi, I have some bad news.
I talked at the Gamescom with some developers, they said that they are interested.
[31/01/11 1:06:56 PM] Sandra: Now they said they do not care anymore
[31/01/11 1:07:21 PM] Barrie Ellis: Hello, I'm in!
[31/01/11 1:07:36 PM] Thomas Westin: hey Barrie!
[31/01/11 1:08:02 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Well, let's hold that until later in the meeting sandra. Right now we're in the agenda
[31/01/11 1:08:31 PM] Thomas Westin: sorry, but where is the agenda?
[31/01/11 1:08:31 PM] Dan Fischbach: Who will win the pencil race?
[31/01/11 1:08:43 PM] Tara Tefertiller: It was send in an email
[31/01/11 1:08:48 PM] Thomas Westin: OK
[31/01/11 1:09:03 PM] Tara Tefertiller: it was - topic of the week, good bad improvements
[31/01/11 1:09:04 PM] Javier Mairena: pencil race, xD
[31/01/11 1:09:29 PM] Tara Tefertiller: 2) what to do now that we have a website/facebook/twiiter - how can we use them better
[31/01/11 1:09:38 PM] Tara Tefertiller: what would should the sig focus on next
[31/01/11 1:09:40 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and new business.
[31/01/11 1:09:55 PM] Tara Tefertiller: sandra's comment sort of falls into the later sessions
[31/01/11 1:10:06 PM] Dan Fischbach: For the record, I did not get any agenda email...is this normal?
[31/01/11 1:10:25 PM] Sandra: @Dan it was on the sig email list
[31/01/11 1:10:31 PM] Dan Fischbach: oh ok
[31/01/11 1:10:33 PM] Dan Fischbach: thanks for the info
[31/01/11 1:10:38 PM] Sandra: games_access@igda.org
[31/01/11 1:11:04 PM] Barrie Ellis: Perhaps we should duplicate the agenda on the forum too from here on?
[31/01/11 1:11:21 PM] Thomas Westin: good idea
[31/01/11 1:11:25 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I meant to post it on Facebok and and website/forum, I just didn't get the chance.
[31/01/11 1:11:35 PM] Tara Tefertiller: But yes! Great idea. Will happen next month.
[31/01/11 1:11:46 PM] Sandra: Are we at Point1, Introduction?
[31/01/11 1:12:30 PM] Tara Tefertiller: yeah, I think most people know everyone else and we know who is here though though, so we can move to point 2 when everyone is ready
[31/01/11 1:12:45 PM] Dan Fischbach: I'm new here, so I'll paste something
[31/01/11 1:13:33 PM] Dan Fischbach: Hi everyone! My name is Dan Fischbach. I'm an unemployed (or is it "indie"?) game developer with a visual impairment, so keeping games accessible is doubly important to me. :-) I hold a Masters in Game Developemnt from FIEA and have been unemployed since graduation. I recently took a test for Neversoft and am crossing my fingers something comes of it. :-)
[31/01/11 1:13:49 PM] Barrie Ellis: Hi Dan!
[31/01/11 1:13:56 PM] Dan Fischbach: Hey Barn!
[31/01/11 1:14:15 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Great to see you here.
[31/01/11 1:14:30 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Is Robert in here?
[31/01/11 1:14:44 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I went to add him, but I haven't seen him post yet.
[31/01/11 1:14:54 PM] robertalian: yes
[31/01/11 1:15:01 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome. Just wanted to make sure.
[31/01/11 1:15:11 PM] Barrie Ellis: Hi Tara, I don't know everyone here - should we all do a quick intro?
[31/01/11 1:15:19 PM] robertalian: cool
[31/01/11 1:15:51 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah. That's fine. Like I said- I'm Tara, current chairperson. I've been the one trying to get our site working and so on.
[31/01/11 1:15:53 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Next person!
[31/01/11 1:16:08 PM] Sandra: Sandra, Student (not game related)
[31/01/11 1:16:21 PM] Sandra: Germany
[31/01/11 1:16:53 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Next!
[31/01/11 1:16:55 PM] robertalian: I'm Robert Florio artist, game designer quad recently published autobiography, Life! It Must Be a Comedy
[31/01/11 1:17:04 PM] Thomas Westin: OK, I'm Thomas Westin, former chair (before Michelle) of the SIG. I work at Stockholm university, Sweden. Created an accessible 3D game called Terraformers many years ago. Now doing research in multimodal interaction design.
[31/01/11 1:17:25 PM] Javier Mairena: I'm Javier Mairena, from Spain (sorry for my bad english xD ).
Here we have a little videogame company with a part focused on videogame accessiblity (www.accessablegames.com).
[31/01/11 1:17:51 PM] robertalian: I'm from Maryland USA
[31/01/11 1:18:00 PM] Dan Fischbach: !
[31/01/11 1:18:03 PM] Thomas Westin: (I'll be back in 20 minutes)
[31/01/11 1:18:35 PM] Dan Fischbach: Come up to Cherry Hill, NJ for a day Rob!
[31/01/11 1:18:38 PM] Barrie Ellis: I'm Barrie, and work on OneSwitch.org.uk and www.gamebase.info as well as what time I can spare for the GASIG. From Essex (near London) in the UK. I'm writing a book. Very s-l-o-w-l-y on game accessibility at the moment.
[31/01/11 1:19:05 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Oh- I got that controller Barrie (completely unrelated to this meeting- just forgot to tell him)
[31/01/11 1:19:24 PM] Barrie Ellis: Good stuff. Things must have sped up with delivery (last parcel to US took 40 days).
[31/01/11 1:19:43 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Wow. Yeah, took way less than 40 days.
[31/01/11 1:19:56 PM] Ryan Arndt: Im Ryan, Global Community Manager for the IGDA Smile
[31/01/11 1:19:57 PM] robertalian: I would love to. What is there? I need a job LOL.
[31/01/11 1:20:32 PM] Tara Tefertiller: On a side note, if any one knows any programmers that want to move to Florida - my company is hiring!
[31/01/11 1:20:51 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I work on a tropical island! Literally, I work on an island off the coast!
[31/01/11 1:20:55 PM] Ryan Arndt: and I get the SIG calls going weekly on Tuesdays, and all of you are invited, 2 calls every tuesday Smile
[31/01/11 1:21:09 PM] robertalian: I need to work from home. I know. Anyone hiring??
[31/01/11 1:21:12 PM] Dan Fischbach: @Rob: We can look for jobs together...? LOL! You can do art, I can do other stuff...in fact, IM me later...I may have an art position for you with another person I'm working with on the side...not a paying gig, but you can work remotely, no problem.
[31/01/11 1:21:46 PM] robertalian: awesome! Will do.
[31/01/11 1:21:46 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, so it looks like everyone has gotten to know each other. Smile
[31/01/11 1:22:15 PM] Sandra: I do not know: Sean Harris, xboxnomad, Nelaxani ???
[31/01/11 1:22:41 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I think they are actually going to be particpating in the evening meeting and just happen to be onling.
[31/01/11 1:22:55 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Sean is a production intern at a small studio here in florida,
[31/01/11 1:23:10 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Randy is a gamer with a disability that I know
[31/01/11 1:23:14 PM] Dan Fischbach: Now they'll be able to predict the future!
[31/01/11 1:23:22 PM] Sean Harris: Afternoon
[31/01/11 1:23:33 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Oh hey, he is here!
[31/01/11 1:23:36 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Hi sean!
[31/01/11 1:23:44 PM] Dan Fischbach: Hey Sean!
[31/01/11 1:23:51 PM] Sean Harris: Sorry had to step out for food or I wasnt going to be aloud to eat today
[31/01/11 1:24:12 PM] Tara Tefertiller: The last one that hasn't said anything is Jherika, who is a student mentee of mine.
[31/01/11 1:24:22 PM] Dan Fischbach: That remind me, I should go AFK for a few minutes...need to go grab some food
[31/01/11 1:24:23 PM] Dan Fischbach: brb!
[31/01/11 1:24:29 PM] robertalian: good to meet you all. fyi this is my page for my book. www.RobertFlorio.com/LIFE
[31/01/11 1:24:34 PM] Tara Tefertiller: She is studying game development, in particular UI
[31/01/11 1:25:06 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, now that everyone has been introduced, for real, let's move on.
[31/01/11 1:25:07 PM] robertalian: cool. I graduated with a bachelors in game design and art.I can help.
[31/01/11 1:25:26 PM] Tara Tefertiller: If she shows back up you two could totally get in toouch.
[31/01/11 1:25:31 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, so
[31/01/11 1:25:34 PM] Tara Tefertiller: item #2
[31/01/11 1:26:01 PM] Tara Tefertiller: So we have forums, and I introduced a topic of the week to get people involved and seeing what was there.
[31/01/11 1:26:09 PM] Tara Tefertiller: What did every one think?
[31/01/11 1:26:27 PM] Tara Tefertiller: What are ideas for future topics?
[31/01/11 1:26:33 PM] robertalian: unfortunately I missed that.
[31/01/11 1:26:34 PM] Barrie Ellis: Good idea, which I think we should keep nudging people over to via Facebook etc.
[31/01/11 1:26:36 PM] Tara Tefertiller: How can it be improved
[31/01/11 1:27:12 PM] robertalian: what was the topic?
[31/01/11 1:27:19 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Oh! Boo! Well the good news is there will soon be a summary on the website, and you can this weeks topic is already up
[31/01/11 1:27:25 PM] Dan Fischbach is back
[31/01/11 1:27:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: the topic was about defining a minimum accessbility guideline that could be followed
[31/01/11 1:27:41 PM] Sandra: Maybe one topic every second week?
[31/01/11 1:28:03 PM] Barrie Ellis: Topic of the week's are here FYI: http://gameaccesssig.forumotion.com/f5-topic-of-the-week
[31/01/11 1:28:17 PM] Tara Tefertiller: You don't think there was enough time to fully discuss the topic?
[31/01/11 1:28:23 PM] Tara Tefertiller: (thanks for the link Barrie!)
[31/01/11 1:28:28 PM] Sandra: yes people are very busy
[31/01/11 1:28:34 PM] Tara Tefertiller: does everyone else agree or disagree?
[31/01/11 1:28:35 PM] Sandra: sometimes there is also holiday
[31/01/11 1:28:52 PM] Javier Mairena: i think a week is to short
[31/01/11 1:28:57 PM] Javier Mairena: for a topic
[31/01/11 1:29:04 PM] Javier Mairena: maybe tow weeks will be better
[31/01/11 1:29:28 PM] Javier Mairena: If you a week with a lot of work load... you can see nothing
[31/01/11 1:29:36 PM] Javier Mairena: can't
[31/01/11 1:29:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Ok. That's totally do able. And that's less work for me. Are we all agreeing to extend the time then?
[31/01/11 1:30:16 PM] Dan Fischbach: Agreed, as it sounds like a win-win.
[31/01/11 1:30:31 PM] Barrie Ellis: Happy to give it a try. I quite like a pithy quick discussion personally, but can completely see those points. Think even for a fortnight some things will need to be carried over into more permanant topics for deeper thought.
[31/01/11 1:31:26 PM] Tara Tefertiller: At the risk of sounding extremely American, how long is a fortnight? 2 weeks?
[31/01/11 1:31:37 PM] Tara Tefertiller: We don't use that word over on this side of the pond. Smile
[31/01/11 1:31:51 PM] Barrie Ellis: Ah, we'll have a lot of that! Yes it's two weeks.
[31/01/11 1:32:12 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Thanks. Lol
[31/01/11 1:32:19 PM] robertalian: I imagine so.two weeks works.
[31/01/11 1:32:45 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, I think that we should extend highlighted topics to 2 weeks. After that they are no longer high lighted topics, but are still active threads.
[31/01/11 1:32:47 PM] Sandra: what is a fortnight?
[31/01/11 1:32:54 PM] Tara Tefertiller: It's 2 weeks.
[31/01/11 1:33:08 PM] Barrie Ellis: Two weeks. Don't know why, it just is.
[31/01/11 1:33:16 PM] Sandra: :-)
[31/01/11 1:33:24 PM] Barrie Ellis: Smile
[31/01/11 1:33:53 PM] Tara Tefertiller: alright, im also hoping that we do continue last week's discussion
[31/01/11 1:34:14 PM] Tara Tefertiller: instead of adding another topic i could just continue extending that one
[31/01/11 1:34:28 PM] Tara Tefertiller: no one has posted on the new topic so i could just delete it
[31/01/11 1:34:41 PM] Dan Fischbach: Meh, just rename it for next week
[31/01/11 1:35:13 PM] Barrie Ellis: I think maybe one fortnightly topic might be "what would be good topics to discuss" - then you could cherry pick from those, Tara as it needs someone to lead it.
[31/01/11 1:35:25 PM] Barrie Ellis: Would that help?
[31/01/11 1:35:33 PM] Barrie Ellis: Or at least on the e-mailing list.
[31/01/11 1:35:57 PM] robertalian: I personally think too many topics becomes overwhelming and easy to lose interest.
[31/01/11 1:36:11 PM] robertalian: one major topic at a time probably work better.
[31/01/11 1:36:25 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Oh, no it would be that we ask people what topics they would like to discuss
[31/01/11 1:36:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and then i go through and pick some as our 2 week topic
[31/01/11 1:36:41 PM] robertalian: cool.
[31/01/11 1:36:44 PM] Tara Tefertiller: not that we talk about all of them at once
[31/01/11 1:36:50 PM] Barrie Ellis: Yep.
[31/01/11 1:36:57 PM] Tara Tefertiller: that would be a great help to me because then i dont have to think of all of them Smile
[31/01/11 1:37:22 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and different things are interesting to me than everyone else, so it will create good vairty
[31/01/11 1:37:41 PM] robertalian: and people won't feel like they're lost if they haven't participated in a while.
[31/01/11 1:38:25 PM] Tara Tefertiller: exactly! what a good suggestion barrie. i think that this would help the forums a lot, and continue to build a community that uses Facebook and the forums and stuff rather than just the email list
[31/01/11 1:38:30 PM] Sandra: It would be nice to have more questions from developers ide
[31/01/11 1:38:32 PM] Sandra: side
[31/01/11 1:38:34 PM] robertalian: that's important, focusing on what is the most interesting and most important
[31/01/11 1:39:01 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Well, that won't be hard. I'm a developer, Max who was in the forums is a developer
[31/01/11 1:39:10 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Sean is a developer
[31/01/11 1:39:14 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Thomas has been
[31/01/11 1:39:33 PM] Javier Mairena: me too, coder
[31/01/11 1:39:36 PM] robertalian: a lot of developers, I didn't realize that.
[31/01/11 1:39:41 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and I work in a studio, surrounded by other developers. So I feel we can find some Smile
[31/01/11 1:39:45 PM] robertalian: I think of the big names outside of accessibility.
[31/01/11 1:40:05 PM] Barrie Ellis: Plus, one potential topic could be, "what do developers want?", Sandra to pull more in.
[31/01/11 1:40:03 PM] robertalian: maybe we should focus on the people we know and have and build them up.
[31/01/11 1:40:21 PM] Sandra: yeah
[31/01/11 1:40:38 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I used to work for a AAA studio, and have friends at Bungie and other large studios
[31/01/11 1:40:47 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I could contact some of them
[31/01/11 1:41:03 PM] robertalian: in the past we always reached out for big-name developers,
[31/01/11 1:41:11 PM] robertalian: but feeling like we would get nowhere.
[31/01/11 1:41:25 PM] robertalian: maybe we should make what we do a group effort so we stand out more.
[31/01/11 1:41:41 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Maybe a topic could be "How to approach big name developers about accessibility?"
[31/01/11 1:41:49 PM] Barrie Ellis: I've long found the indies the most receptive. But definitly, Robert, the group effort is so important.
[31/01/11 1:42:13 PM] Barrie Ellis: It's a really good early Two-Week Topic to go with.
[31/01/11 1:42:27 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yes. I'm going to save that one. Smile
[31/01/11 1:42:42 PM] Tara Tefertiller: That was a lot of good information. This meeting is going great.
[31/01/11 1:42:50 PM] Tara Tefertiller: We're even going to go over on time, lol
[31/01/11 1:43:02 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, moving on
[31/01/11 1:43:19 PM] Tara Tefertiller: the next topic was - We have a Facebook, Twitter, Website, etc now
[31/01/11 1:43:24 PM] robertalian: true, I might be wrong but it is a good topic, "how to approach a big name developers" would it be better, "how to make our own mark?"
[31/01/11 1:43:31 PM] Javier Mairena: have to leave, sorry, see you in next Wink
[31/01/11 1:43:37 PM] Barrie Ellis: see you, Javier!
[31/01/11 1:43:43 PM] Tara Tefertiller: What's next? How can we use these items better
[31/01/11 1:43:49 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Thanks for coming by!
[31/01/11 1:43:53 PM] Tara Tefertiller: See ya Javier!
[31/01/11 1:44:08 PM] Tara Tefertiller: How should we utilize these new additions to the SIG?
[31/01/11 1:44:29 PM] Barrie Ellis: Not sure what you're referring to?
[31/01/11 1:44:35 PM] Dan Fischbach: Well, this depends on what we would deem the "focus"
[31/01/11 1:44:53 PM] robertalian: what items?
[31/01/11 1:44:54 PM] Dan Fischbach: which is more important? a Twitter feed, FB page/group, or a whole website?
[31/01/11 1:45:18 PM] Barrie Ellis: I think it's all important, as it's a route to reach people by.
[31/01/11 1:45:26 PM] robertalian: I don't really know why tweed or is used,
[31/01/11 1:45:32 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Well, we have these great tools. I just want to make sure each is getting the right amount of attention. Like for this meeting, I sent info via all of it, and made a Facebook event
[31/01/11 1:45:50 PM] Tara Tefertiller: should we continue with the multiposting? Is this productive or spamming?
[31/01/11 1:46:18 PM] Dan Fischbach: well, do we want the FB page to be the main source of info, and the website as a placeholder, or do we want the FB page and Twitter account to get people to go to the website as the main source of info, or...?
[31/01/11 1:46:22 PM] robertalian: twiter is for doing what?
[31/01/11 1:46:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Twitter is for being twitter. I have no idea to be honest.
[31/01/11 1:46:42 PM] Dan Fischbach: Twitter is for very short posts/bit of info
[31/01/11 1:46:45 PM] Thomas Westin: micro-blog
[31/01/11 1:46:54 PM] Dan Fischbach: like, if a meeting time suddenly changes
[31/01/11 1:47:01 PM] Sandra: Website: static information, forum, dynamic information
all other link to these, news
[31/01/11 1:47:22 PM] Dan Fischbach: Agreed Sandra...FB can be used for meetings, as that seems to work out well
[31/01/11 1:47:26 PM] Barrie Ellis: Facebook is not open to all, so that should not be the central hub in my view.
[31/01/11 1:47:45 PM] Dan Fischbach: the "Event" on FB ca be marked public though
[31/01/11 1:47:51 PM] Dan Fischbach: *can
[31/01/11 1:47:53 PM] robertalian: facebook is the trend.
[31/01/11 1:47:59 PM] Tara Tefertiller: But not everyone has facebook is the point
[31/01/11 1:48:13 PM] Barrie Ellis: Facebook is also not for under 13's.
[31/01/11 1:48:16 PM] robertalian: they don't?
[31/01/11 1:48:24 PM] Barrie Ellis: I hate it, Robert, call me wierd!
[31/01/11 1:48:25 PM] robertalian: I don't know anyone who uses twitter
[31/01/11 1:48:29 PM] Barrie Ellis: I do!
[31/01/11 1:48:29 PM] Dan Fischbach: People don't need to have a FB account to see or come to the meeting
[31/01/11 1:48:32 PM] Sandra: FB is great to reach people, but not for static information
[31/01/11 1:48:29 PM] Barrie Ellis: LOL
[31/01/11 1:48:42 PM] Dan Fischbach: You don't need to be logged in to see Public events, I believe
[31/01/11 1:49:04 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I feel like maybe I should keep doing the double posting....
[31/01/11 1:49:10 PM] robertalian: it is a trend, I understand LOL.
[31/01/11 1:49:46 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, I don't get twitter, but some people love it.
[31/01/11 1:50:04 PM] Dan Fischbach: Twitter and FB can link to static content on the website, forum can be used for more permanent communication, FB can be used for temp. comm/setting up events, etc.
[31/01/11 1:50:10 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Right now anything that is posted on our FB automatically gets posted on our Twitter
[31/01/11 1:50:19 PM] Thomas Westin: yes double posting is not that bad, I like reminders about important stuff Smile people who are on multiple channels for the same thing, can take it I guess
[31/01/11 1:50:29 PM] Barrie Ellis: Although it breaks if it's too long sometimes, Tara (FB to Twitter).
[31/01/11 1:50:41 PM] Dan Fischbach: @Tara: what do you use for FB -> Twitter posting?
[31/01/11 1:50:54 PM] Dan Fischbach: I post to Twitter and egt it sent to FB, but not the other ay around
[31/01/11 1:51:21 PM] robertalian: at some point if someone is interested in joining or being a part, they should remember to say hello. If they have time.
[31/01/11 1:51:25 PM] Tara Tefertiller: It's something that can only be done with like... pages you become a fan of, not people
[31/01/11 1:51:26 PM] Thomas Westin: for meetings, an option is to use Google calendars, can be synced to local calenders, phones etc too
[31/01/11 1:51:35 PM] Dan Fischbach: Ah, OK
[31/01/11 1:51:42 PM] Dan Fischbach: Oh yes!
[31/01/11 1:51:49 PM] Dan Fischbach: I keep forgetting about Google Cal!
[31/01/11 1:51:52 PM] Tara Tefertiller added michelle hinn to this chat
[31/01/11 1:51:57 PM] Sandra: hi
[31/01/11 1:52:01 PM] Dan Fischbach: hello!
[31/01/11 1:52:09 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Well look who's late.
[31/01/11 1:52:11 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Smile
[31/01/11 1:52:14 PM] Thomas Westin: hey michelle
[31/01/11 1:52:23 PM] Dan Fischbach: Hi Michelle!
[31/01/11 1:52:30 PM] robertalian: hi Michelle :-)
[31/01/11 1:52:34 PM] Barrie Ellis: Hi Michelle. Fashionably late entrance / shabby time keeping!
[31/01/11 1:52:36 PM] michelle hinn: yeah, guess who was in the hospital yesterday until this morning
[31/01/11 1:52:38 PM] michelle hinn: Smile
[31/01/11 1:52:41 PM] Dan Fischbach: :-\
[31/01/11 1:52:44 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Oh no! not again!
[31/01/11 1:52:53 PM] robertalian: not me!
[31/01/11 1:53:05 PM] michelle hinn: yeah, i've been trying to avoid surgery but it's looking like i need to have it soon
[31/01/11 1:53:27 PM] robertalian: I'm dealing with something too, need antibiotics soon.
[31/01/11 1:53:38 PM] Barrie Ellis: I've got some D.I.Y. guides, Michelle if that helps.
[31/01/11 1:53:46 PM] robertalian: been thinking of you Michelle.
[31/01/11 1:53:46 PM] michelle hinn: sorry i'm late -- please keep talking and i'll catch up
[31/01/11 1:53:59 PM] michelle hinn: DIY guides -- that WOULD help! Wink
[31/01/11 1:54:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: well, quick summary. extended weekly topics to 2 week topics. i learned what fortenight meant, we talked about what some topics could be, and now we are talking about how to use or facebook/twitter/website
[31/01/11 1:54:40 PM] Thomas Westin: DIY surgery... ouch
[31/01/11 1:54:48 PM] Barrie Ellis: Re. Web-site / Forum / Blog / Wiki / Twitter / Facebook - it is scattered now it's true. Is that a problem though?
[31/01/11 1:55:01 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Well, the Wiki is a mess
[31/01/11 1:55:05 PM] Dan Fischbach: 'Tis, I think
[31/01/11 1:55:14 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and probably has Thomas listed as chair its so out of date
[31/01/11 1:55:16 PM] Tara Tefertiller: lol
[31/01/11 1:55:23 PM] Thomas Westin: Smile
[31/01/11 1:55:28 PM] michelle hinn: the wiki had been pretty well organized but then it somehow got erased
[31/01/11 1:55:31 PM] robertalian: unfortunately they are necessary evils I think.
[31/01/11 1:55:38 PM] Dan Fischbach: What's the tech behind the website Tara? Drupal?
[31/01/11 1:55:46 PM] michelle hinn: so they restored it from obviously a long time ago
[31/01/11 1:55:49 PM] Tara Tefertiller: no, it's just wordpress
[31/01/11 1:55:54 PM] Dan Fischbach: ah, OK
[31/01/11 1:55:57 PM] michelle hinn: the IGDA site is drupal
[31/01/11 1:56:08 PM] Dan Fischbach: yeah
[31/01/11 1:56:19 PM] Thomas Westin: I like WP over Drupal
[31/01/11 1:56:36 PM] Dan Fischbach: depends on what you're going to do
[31/01/11 1:56:42 PM] Sandra: Wiki: first rule: make it save!
[31/01/11 1:56:51 PM] Sandra: second rule: have a good structure
[31/01/11 1:56:55 PM] Tara Tefertiller: yeah, I picked it because even if you aren't web savy you can use it
[31/01/11 1:56:56 PM] Sandra: third: keep it up to date
[31/01/11 1:57:11 PM] Thomas Westin: @Dan: yes, but for simple sites it is much nicer to work with
[31/01/11 1:57:12 PM] michelle hinn: I'm like WP too -- unfortunately the IGDA spent a lot of money on the drupal system so they are really wanting people to use it
[31/01/11 1:57:23 PM] robertalian: can we make the web site look more attractive?
[31/01/11 1:57:27 PM] michelle hinn: but there's not much tech support when it comes to content management
[31/01/11 1:57:43 PM] Dan Fischbach: agreed, WP is good for simple things, but beyod that Drupal is king.
[31/01/11 1:57:54 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, we sure I can. I'm not an artist, and asked for artists to make a new banner or background and no one came forward
[31/01/11 1:58:04 PM] Dan Fischbach: There may be a plguin to port the Wiki data over to WP posts Tara
[31/01/11 1:58:04 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and I wasn't going to make one, so i left it looking like it is now
[31/01/11 1:58:07 PM] Sandra: (it is possible to write own plugins for wordpress :-))
[31/01/11 1:58:25 PM] Dan Fischbach: Same for Dupal :-)
[31/01/11 1:58:37 PM] Barrie Ellis: All these things can come together, but I think the main web-site needs to be the central hub. Tara's done a great job kicking it into life. Should we ask for volunteers again for some specific roles?
[31/01/11 1:58:41 PM] Dan Fischbach: I like both platforms, but they have different uses for different projects
[31/01/11 1:58:49 PM] Thomas Westin: @Sandra etc: problem is, we don't have a web dev in the SIG or do we?
[31/01/11 1:58:55 PM] michelle hinn: IF you have correct access to the drupal site -- that's been another big problem. People get access then the IGDA upgrades it and everyone loses access again. The Wiki is currently ported into Drupal
[31/01/11 1:59:12 PM] Tara Tefertiller: i just avoided having people use the igda site because there have been so many permission problems
[31/01/11 1:59:17 PM] Sandra: I can write wordpress plugins
[31/01/11 1:59:30 PM] Dan Fischbach: They probably use a MediaWiki/Drupal bridge to log people into both at the same time
[31/01/11 1:59:41 PM] Barrie Ellis: What kind of things would that possibilbly bring the site, Sandra?
[31/01/11 1:59:47 PM] robertalian: I can do art for the page design.
[31/01/11 1:59:49 PM] michelle hinn: I like Barrie's idea about assigning roles
[31/01/11 1:59:50 PM] Thomas Westin: I think the WP site the SIG has is great, no need for more features there; use existing services to mash up things instead like google apps, youtube etc
[31/01/11 1:59:58 PM] Sandra: We have also one on list who is interested in web accessibility?
[31/01/11 2:00:20 PM] Barrie Ellis: All of us! But we're not all brilliant at it.
[31/01/11 2:00:22 PM] Sandra: @Barrie, I do not understand your question
[31/01/11 2:00:46 PM] michelle hinn: Yeah I think a lot of us got our accessibility start with web accessibility. Smile
[31/01/11 2:00:46 PM] Barrie Ellis: Sorry - what kind of extra power can these plug-ins bring to the main site, would you imagine?
[31/01/11 2:00:57 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Like I can make a very accessibile website from scratch, but it aint going to look pretty Smile
[31/01/11 2:01:08 PM] Sandra: @Barrie, depends what you need.
[31/01/11 2:01:23 PM] michelle hinn: ie, Sandra what kinds of plug ins do you think we need -- if you had any in mind already
[31/01/11 2:01:39 PM] Sandra: I do not think we need any, it is for the future
[31/01/11 2:01:58 PM] Barrie Ellis: Oky-doke. Future role for you perhaps, Sandra.
[31/01/11 2:02:13 PM] Tara Tefertiller: It's good to know we have the options.
[31/01/11 2:02:52 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I'll likely put out a call for articles and a call for new art for the site. To add some content and make the site more visually appealing
[31/01/11 2:02:51 PM] Sandra: Plugin example: I wrote one to manage exergames: exergames - category -companies
[31/01/11 2:03:12 PM] Sandra: But: they key is still:high quality information
[31/01/11 2:03:13 PM] Sandra: :-)
[31/01/11 2:03:19 PM] Dan Fischbach: btw Tara, are you paying for hosting out of your own pocket?
[31/01/11 2:03:44 PM] Thomas Westin: I have to get back to my research paper, which has a deadline on Friday (I, Michelle, Kevin and Dimitris is working on a paper for HCI International in June). I'll leave the web tech discussion for now. If I can help, my role could be to develop the research section on the website. This is my focus for the coming years anyway.
[31/01/11 2:03:50 PM] Tara Tefertiller: yeah, barrie said he would send me a couple dollars but i totally forgot to give him my paypal info until just now
[31/01/11 2:04:06 PM] michelle hinn: Thomas -- I am finishing up the visual disabilities articles
[31/01/11 2:04:06 PM] Tara Tefertiller: That would be great Thomas.
[31/01/11 2:04:27 PM] Tara Tefertiller: email me later about how we can get that on the site
[31/01/11 2:04:40 PM] Thomas Westin: OK
[31/01/11 2:04:42 PM] Dan Fischbach: that article sounds up my alley
[31/01/11 2:04:42 PM] Barrie Ellis: Look after yourself, Thomas. Catch you later.
[31/01/11 2:04:47 PM] Dan Fischbach: bye Tom!
[31/01/11 2:04:52 PM] Thomas Westin: you too! Bye!
[31/01/11 2:04:52 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Bye Thomas!
[31/01/11 2:04:58 PM] Thomas Westin: bye
[31/01/11 2:05:23 PM] Tara Tefertiller: but yeah, im paying for hosting and such, but it's less than $20 so I don't really care.
[31/01/11 2:05:33 PM] robertalian: FYI I need to change my username, I don't like what I have so hopefully I find you all again when I do.
[31/01/11 2:05:42 PM] Tara Tefertiller: ok
[31/01/11 2:05:55 PM] robertalian: you are paying for the web site?
[31/01/11 2:05:57 PM] michelle hinn: Bye Thomas -- take a look at your private chat area -- just send you something about the paper
[31/01/11 2:06:11 PM] Dan Fischbach: Well, I have a hosting account, so if need be, I can host the forums instead of another forum provider hosting it
[31/01/11 2:06:15 PM] michelle hinn: oops he left Smile
[31/01/11 2:06:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: well the forums are free, it's just having the website through wordpress that costs money
[31/01/11 2:06:51 PM] Barrie Ellis: In the past we've looked at assigning roles, but what about if we post a list of what we think the site and the GASIG movement needs, then ask people to volunteer for one or invent their own roles to play (no matter how small) - from Twitter bod, Occassional blogger, research link dumper, etc. etc.?
[31/01/11 2:06:54 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and im fine with paying for that because it's quick and im lazy
[31/01/11 2:07:16 PM] michelle hinn: @Dan is your hosting area faster? I haven't been able to contribute to the forums much because i takes 15 minutes or more to load a page -- anyone else had that issue?
[31/01/11 2:07:36 PM] Sandra: @barrie. coool
[31/01/11 2:07:43 PM] michelle hinn: I think a lot of us would be interested in the research area
[31/01/11 2:07:44 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I haven't had that issue (at home or work)
[31/01/11 2:07:47 PM] Barrie Ellis: No. are you using a Dreamcast and narrow band again, Michelle?
[31/01/11 2:08:04 PM] Dan Fischbach: :-P
[31/01/11 2:08:06 PM] michelle hinn: Nope -- and I've been using wifi and direct ether
[31/01/11 2:08:20 PM] Dan Fischbach: maybe it's your ISP's DNS
[31/01/11 2:08:23 PM] Sandra: We should also have someone who care about the look / placement of the information
[31/01/11 2:08:24 PM] michelle hinn: not sure why it's so slow for me but apparently it's just me
[31/01/11 2:08:26 PM] Tara Tefertiller: well the internet just hates you
[31/01/11 2:08:34 PM] Dan Fischbach: yeah, Internet hates you
[31/01/11 2:08:35 PM] Barrie Ellis: LOL
[31/01/11 2:08:39 PM] michelle hinn: well, that's true -- the internet does hate me. Smile
[31/01/11 2:08:42 PM] Dan Fischbach: website's fine here
[31/01/11 2:08:49 PM] robertalian: with topic are we on now?
[31/01/11 2:08:50 PM] michelle hinn: it's just the forums
[31/01/11 2:08:52 PM] Tara Tefertiller: well ive got the placement of the information, because im the one who posts everything on the website
[31/01/11 2:09:11 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, we are sort of off topic. As in, I think we're all just making fun of Michelle
[31/01/11 2:09:24 PM] Barrie Ellis: I'm happy to continue with Blog - and it's open to anyone to drop stuff in.
[31/01/11 2:09:42 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I think you're doing great with the blog. So, you keep on at it!
[31/01/11 2:09:47 PM] Barrie Ellis: Ta.
[31/01/11 2:09:47 PM] michelle hinn: sorry about that guys -- i'm too much of a tempting target!
[31/01/11 2:09:55 PM] michelle hinn: anyway, i can help with the wiki
[31/01/11 2:10:00 PM] Barrie Ellis: Shhh, you'll start us off again!
[31/01/11 2:10:03 PM] michelle hinn: if we still want to use that
[31/01/11 2:10:08 PM] robertalian: I have to use the bathroom soon LOL.
[31/01/11 2:10:28 PM] robertalian: can I have a hall pass?
[31/01/11 2:10:30 PM] Barrie Ellis: We'd love your artistic skills one day, Robert!
[31/01/11 2:10:51 PM] Dan Fischbach: did we reach a decision as to what should be done with tech and the web? I vote for: website: used as the main focus, FB/twitter: used to communicate/meeting new people and lead people to website, fb/gcal: used to schedule new meetings
[31/01/11 2:10:54 PM] michelle hinn: any thoughts about how we want to use the wiki? should it be more of a place for definitiions and such?
[31/01/11 2:10:59 PM] robertalian: awesome, not to sound self-centered I got my degree four years ago now LOL
[31/01/11 2:11:12 PM] Dan Fischbach: wiki...hmmm...I say back it up and nuke it from orbit
[31/01/11 2:11:12 PM] robertalian: I think one thing this group could help is boosting each other.
[31/01/11 2:11:28 PM] robertalian: I need to work from home.
[31/01/11 2:11:33 PM] Barrie Ellis: Deserved, Robert. And I'm all for that.
[31/01/11 2:11:44 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I say Dan + Michelle idea + win
[31/01/11 2:11:52 PM] Barrie Ellis: Re. Dan - agreed - but FB is an easy place to pop news too.
[31/01/11 2:11:57 PM] Dan Fischbach: @Rob: check your skype
[31/01/11 2:11:58 PM] robertalian: cool... I just realized how awesome all of you are.
[31/01/11 2:12:09 PM] Dan Fischbach: FB's good for news, yes...very short new tidbits
[31/01/11 2:12:18 PM] Dan Fischbach: *news
[31/01/11 2:12:25 PM] robertalian: I always have, would be nice to see us focus on each other's efforts. Seems like the big companies don't really acknowledge us.
[31/01/11 2:12:28 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, probably would put some of the info, and link over to the site or something
[31/01/11 2:12:44 PM] Dan Fischbach: nuke the wiki!
[31/01/11 2:12:46 PM] Dan Fischbach: less is more
[31/01/11 2:12:51 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Lol.
[31/01/11 2:12:54 PM] Dan Fischbach: (backup first though so we can port some info)
[31/01/11 2:13:19 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I guess I'll just carry that over to the second meeting and ask their thoughts too
[31/01/11 2:13:19 PM] michelle hinn: I agree -- if we had lots of time for content creation and a few dedicated people to manage it, then it would be fine
[31/01/11 2:13:26 PM] Barrie Ellis: Think I agree with Dan re. Wiki. Deffo back-up info as some really useful stuff there.
[31/01/11 2:13:45 PM] michelle hinn: but the problem has always been keeping people interested enough
[31/01/11 2:14:15 PM] michelle hinn: Perhaps there could be a backup in the form of a white paper?
[31/01/11 2:14:19 PM] robertalian: at Tara how do you feel about what you're doing? it seems like you're doing a lot I just want you to know it's appreciated. do you feel the system we are using is working?
[31/01/11 2:14:47 PM] Dan Fischbach: the wiki's most likely a SQL database dump
[31/01/11 2:15:03 PM] michelle hinn: Yeah, in the condition it's in now, yes
[31/01/11 2:15:15 PM] Dan Fischbach: well, that's where the data is actually stored
[31/01/11 2:15:17 PM] Dan Fischbach: in a SQL database
[31/01/11 2:15:31 PM] michelle hinn: It's a shame because there was some really great historical info about the SIG on there before it was hacked
[31/01/11 2:15:40 PM] Dan Fischbach: :-(
[31/01/11 2:16:00 PM] Barrie Ellis: Wouldn't be on the WayBackMachine?
[31/01/11 2:16:13 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I feel good to know I'm appreciated. Smile Mostly I've done work that I was excited about doing, but had no idea what other people thought about it.
[31/01/11 2:16:15 PM] Dan Fischbach: another option is to set it to read-only (lock down) and just copy/paste important info and nuke teh rest
[31/01/11 2:16:49 PM] Sandra: You need to have access to the config file to lock it?
[31/01/11 2:16:57 PM] Dan Fischbach: yup
[31/01/11 2:17:02 PM] michelle hinn: Yeah, Tara -- you are doing a great job -- I know how hard it is -- I did it for way too long! Smile
[31/01/11 2:17:13 PM] Dan Fischbach: simple FTP access should do the trick
[31/01/11 2:17:24 PM] Sandra: The question is, do we have access?
[31/01/11 2:17:39 PM] michelle hinn: Sounds like we could put in a tech request to IGDA to have them lock it, download it, and then blow it away
[31/01/11 2:17:50 PM] Sandra: yes
[31/01/11 2:17:54 PM] Dan Fischbach: hmmmm....
[31/01/11 2:18:19 PM] Dan Fischbach: the issue is that I'm not 100% sure it would be a good idea to sift through the database records that is the wiki
[31/01/11 2:18:31 PM] Dan Fischbach: it would be better to lock it down and copy/paste inportant info
[31/01/11 2:18:35 PM] Dan Fischbach: it's faster
[31/01/11 2:19:10 PM] michelle hinn: Yeah, so a tech request for them to lock it while we copy/paste
[31/01/11 2:19:26 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, I vote that.
[31/01/11 2:19:32 PM] michelle hinn: They don't like to let people have FTP access anymore
[31/01/11 2:20:01 PM] michelle hinn: Then -- where do we put the wiki info?
[31/01/11 2:20:30 PM] Barrie Ellis: As time goes by, it would be good to find easy ways to upload articles again, but content is so important and also out-reach. We can build a lot via the forums, e-mail list, blog and then put those into shared Google Docs. But what is the most important thing for us to start with? Is it that easy to grasp Top 10 list with a deeper break-down of what it means - or is it something else?
[31/01/11 2:21:16 PM] Barrie Ellis: @michelle - into shared google docs / open google docs as a possibility until we can tidy into really solid articles / books / white papers?
[31/01/11 2:21:27 PM] Sandra: We have to check and update the wiki info?
[31/01/11 2:21:48 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I can just put a page under about accessibility that contains all of our old wiki info until we figure it out
[31/01/11 2:22:13 PM] Barrie Ellis: Sounds sensible to me.
[31/01/11 2:22:26 PM] Tara Tefertiller: It's not the best thing, but I think it's a decent place holder.
[31/01/11 2:23:25 PM] Barrie Ellis: I think now we're building precense, we need to have something managable to work towards too. Something we can do in very small segments.
[31/01/11 2:23:43 PM] Barrie Ellis: This could be an early topic for discussion too.
[31/01/11 2:23:56 PM] Tara Tefertiller: that's true
[31/01/11 2:24:06 PM] Sandra: i think one page with an good overview would be great: forum, twitter, fb ...
[31/01/11 2:24:14 PM] Sandra: so people know what elements we use
[31/01/11 2:24:42 PM] michelle hinn: That's a good idea -- a placeholder for now and then we can figure out where to place it as the site grows
[31/01/11 2:24:46 PM] Tara Tefertiller: i think right now just seeing the links on every page of the website shows that we use them
[31/01/11 2:25:13 PM] Barrie Ellis: @Sandra - good idea. Something visual (with alt-text) might entice more people, and make a good front page?
[31/01/11 2:25:27 PM] Tara Tefertiller: alright, we can just do that then... someone send me an email reminder and i will get that done this week
[31/01/11 2:25:31 PM] michelle hinn: @sandra -- I like that idea
[31/01/11 2:25:54 PM] Tara Tefertiller: would that be on like the front page? or on the communicate page?
[31/01/11 2:26:01 PM] Barrie Ellis: (just pinch the logos for Twitter / Facebook would be a quick start).
[31/01/11 2:26:04 PM] Tara Tefertiller: who wants to make that art? 'cause I'm not Smile
[31/01/11 2:26:14 PM] michelle hinn: Robert should make the art! Smile
[31/01/11 2:26:33 PM] Barrie Ellis: I think that would be bloody great, if he's up for it.
[31/01/11 2:26:46 PM] michelle hinn: I agree -- Robert? Are you game?
[31/01/11 2:27:07 PM] Barrie Ellis: (Think he's on the John as you American's say/said)
[31/01/11 2:27:09 PM] robertalian: I'm game!
[31/01/11 2:27:12 PM] Barrie Ellis: Sorry!
[31/01/11 2:27:27 PM] Barrie Ellis: Cool though.
[31/01/11 2:27:45 PM] Barrie Ellis: Will you need to send pixel limits for the page, Tara?
[31/01/11 2:28:07 PM] Tara Tefertiller: yeah, i can't right now but i can later today/tomorrow
[31/01/11 2:28:18 PM] Dan Fischbach: Firebug = best extension ever
[31/01/11 2:28:24 PM] michelle hinn: Great -- I'm excited about the artwork Smile
[31/01/11 2:29:14 PM] robertalian: what kind of art?
[31/01/11 2:29:21 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Something awesome.
[31/01/11 2:29:33 PM] Barrie Ellis: No pressure then!
[31/01/11 2:29:35 PM] Sandra: easy to understand - nice overview, typicall elements pitures
[31/01/11 2:29:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: For the website. Front page, talking about all of our awesomeness.
[31/01/11 2:29:51 PM] michelle hinn: All in one logo! Smile
[31/01/11 2:29:58 PM] Tara Tefertiller: logo of awesomeness.
[31/01/11 2:30:21 PM] Sandra: Ok, it is me again: one figure for speech impairment?
[31/01/11 2:30:36 PM] Sandra: We have 4 figures at the moment
[31/01/11 2:30:41 PM] robertalian: do I have free reign to design LOL
[31/01/11 2:30:44 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, well I feel like we have everything on the list covered. Any additional items?
[31/01/11 2:30:45 PM] robertalian: just kidding
[31/01/11 2:30:56 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, go for it. As long as it isn't offensive. Smile
[31/01/11 2:31:16 PM] Sandra: Logo: print and faxable = black/white ?
[31/01/11 2:31:20 PM] Barrie Ellis: Free-style! - make it accessible though!
[31/01/11 2:31:34 PM] Sandra: Sound- logo?
[31/01/11 2:31:55 PM] Tara Tefertiller: I'm sorry Sandra. Sound logo? I think I missed something.
[31/01/11 2:32:05 PM] michelle hinn: We might be able to convince Richard Van Tol to help with a sound logo
[31/01/11 2:32:10 PM] Sandra: For blind people, for videos, for audio files ....
[31/01/11 2:32:14 PM] robertalian: I don't know how to add sound to an image
[31/01/11 2:32:29 PM] robertalian: I can draw something up on my graphics tablet. Where can I post it?
[31/01/11 2:32:33 PM] Sandra: no it in an image, for the future:video,audiofiles, ...
[31/01/11 2:32:34 PM] michelle hinn: It would load separately
[31/01/11 2:32:38 PM] robertalian: I like doing abstract.
[31/01/11 2:32:56 PM] Tara Tefertiller: When you have something you can just email it to me and I can get it on the website.
[31/01/11 2:33:13 PM] michelle hinn: Don't worry about the sound, Robert. I think audio features for the site would be great -- maybe add that to something to add in the future?
[31/01/11 2:33:30 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Yes. Done.
[31/01/11 2:34:04 PM] Tara Tefertiller: Alright guys, I've been going for an hour and half. Is there anything else we need to cover?
[31/01/11 2:34:15 PM] Barrie Ellis: I do have some top logos by the way by another artist, if you want to veer away from the basic stuff, Robert. I've got representations for Cognitive, Hearing, Sight, Physical and some other bits. Could ask SpecialEffect for permission to use them.
[31/01/11 2:34:26 PM] Barrie Ellis: (but yes, got to go soon).
[31/01/11 2:35:10 PM] Barrie Ellis: Might not be relevent right now though, I grant you.
[31/01/11 2:35:42 PM] robertalian: cool i'll have it for the next meeting. I have to use the bathroom.
[31/01/11 2:35:45 PM] michelle hinn: I can't think of anything for now
[31/01/11 2:36:15 PM] Barrie Ellis: Perhaps just to open up a new Agenda items via mailing list and forum?
[31/01/11 2:36:21 PM] robertalian: I love doing this, I got this.
[31/01/11 2:36:26 PM] Barrie Ellis: So people can put stuff on?
[31/01/11 2:36:29 PM] robertalian: I'm open to suggestions.
[31/01/11 2:36:36 PM] robertalian: brb
[31/01/11 2:37:18 PM] Tara Tefertiller: sorry, coworker's birthday
[31/01/11 2:37:22 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and they brought cake
[31/01/11 2:37:32 PM] michelle hinn: well, then you better go! Smile
[31/01/11 2:37:38 PM] Barrie Ellis: I've got to go. Great first meeting all. Enjoy the cake! Catch you all later.
[31/01/11 2:37:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: totally not helping my diet for my wedding but it tastes so good
[31/01/11 2:38:02 PM] Tara Tefertiller: alright, i think it's time to wrap this up. great meeting guys.
[31/01/11 2:38:06 PM] michelle hinn: See ya later Barrie!
[31/01/11 2:38:14 PM] Barrie Ellis: Bye!
[31/01/11 2:38:20 PM] Tara Tefertiller: hopefully the second meeting is just as productive!
[31/01/11 2:38:30 PM] michelle hinn: I'll try to make that one on time! Smile
[31/01/11 2:38:39 PM] Tara Tefertiller: lol, ok michelle Smile
[31/01/11 2:38:50 PM] michelle hinn: 7:30, right?
[31/01/11 2:38:56 PM] Tara Tefertiller: yup
[31/01/11 2:40:14 PM] Sandra: Time-Meeting: I would love when we could start in the Morning (Berlin Time)
[31/01/11 2:40:31 PM] Sandra: oh sorry I mean morning USA
[31/01/11 2:40:40 PM] Sandra: so I can take part in the afternoon and evneing
[31/01/11 2:41:20 PM] michelle hinn: Yeah we have had meetings at 9am (New York Time) before but they were never well attended
[31/01/11 2:41:27 PM] michelle hinn: ie, it was usually just me
[31/01/11 2:41:42 PM] Tara Tefertiller: most people I talked to wanting to have them in the evenings
[31/01/11 2:42:03 PM] Tara Tefertiller: and we also have people out in California, so we have to be careful when moving these things aroudn
[31/01/11 2:42:29 PM] michelle hinn: it's hard to find meeting times that work world-round
[31/01/11 2:42:36 PM] Tara Tefertiller: exactly
[31/01/11 2:42:56 PM] Sandra: ah ok
[31/01/11 2:43:15 PM] Tara Tefertiller: alright, well, I'm peacing out. Later guys!
[31/01/11 2:43:19 PM] michelle hinn: but I think that even just getting some people to one and some to the other is a better system
[31/01/11 2:43:25 PM] michelle hinn: OK -- save the chat!!! Smile
[31/01/11 2:43:35 PM] Tara Tefertiller: doing that now Smile
[31/01/11 2:43:41 PM] Dan Fischbach: Yeah, copy/paste it somewhere safe
[31/01/11 2:43:46 PM] robertalian: I need to eat. Nice meeting everyone.
[31/01/11 2:43:49 PM] michelle hinn: NOT on the wiki. Smile

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Post  Tara Voelker on Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:21 pm

[01/31/11] Sandra: maybe we will get one from south africa :-)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: that would be cool
[01/31/11] Dan Fischbach: :-)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: alright, ive really got to piece out now.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: you know, gotta give my brain a rest before the other meeting Smile
[01/31/11] Sandra: :-)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: thanks again for coming. that was a great first meeting. i was glad to see so many people attend. Smile
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: hopefully the second one is just as good!
[01/31/11] Dan Fischbach: You're welcome!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: bye guys!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller added Brian to this chat
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: So, who is all here? Is it only Dan and Brian so far?
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: I'm here
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Oh hey! Hello!
[01/31/11] Brian: Hello
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: hi there, sorry I wasn't at the earlier meeting. I overslept
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: It's cool. No worries. I'm going to do a short recap of that meeting and then we will have this one.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Hopefully this one is shorter, lol
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: The other was like... hours long.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Productive, but long.
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: oh my
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: okay fire away then
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: We're going to five it a couple more minutes. I know of at least one other person who is supposed to make tonight's meeting.
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: kay
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller added Nazer Lagrimas to this chat
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, we've had another join!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I'm going to give it about 3 more minutes. Robin and Michelle said they were coming, but Michelle was already at the morning meeting so I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't show.
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: if I go in and out randomly, forgive me. I'm working on finishing up this interface
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Well, alright. I'm not surprised at all of the much smaller turn out tonight as the meeting this morning was huge, and some of our most active members are from europe and they all hit this morning's meeting
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, now I know not all of you are on the email list, but there was an agenda to follow. We'll go through and I will tell you what it was, as well let you know what they said in this morning's meeting
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Now, first thing is introductions.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I'm Tara, the current chair person of the SIG. I've been the one running around to get the website going and such. I live in Orlando, blah blah blah.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Now someone else go.
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: Nazer here, I'm a recent grad working in audio / QA and I was just curious about your SIG and your future goals
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller added Max Voelker to this chat
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome. I have a background in QA myself.
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: I'm Jherika. I'm a student at IADT Detroit. I'll be receiving my BFA in Game Production in March of this year. Working on becoming an User Interface Artist and Designer.
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: I'm also very visually impaired so I like what I've seen so far from your website and so on
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome.
[01/31/11] Brian: I'm Brian Reilly, I recently left school after studying for game production. I also have interest in the SIG's goings on.
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: I'm Max, a producer at a small studio in Orlando Fl
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: was in QA before that
[01/31/11] Brian: Also I'm tall.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, to briefly talk about the SIG - we just work for game accessibility. Right now we are in a "get our stuff" together kind of situation.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: We had our SIG, and we had our goals, but we weren't really sharing it or developing a sense of community, and we weren't really sharing the information that we had on game accessibility.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: That's one of the reason's that since I've become chair we've gotten a Facebook and a Twitter and a new site and so on.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, now that everyone knows everyone.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: The next item we talked about was the topic of the week - which was a part of our forums that we just recently got.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Now, I know not all of you were able to see them - let me get a link
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: http://gameaccesssig.forumotion.com/
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: We had talked about what we could do to make them better, how we could improve the topic of the week, make sure it stays interesting and so on
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: The main thing we decided was the the topic of the week, should actually be a topic that last for 2 weeks
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: most people said they were too busy with work or school and wanted more time to be able to respond to the forums.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: We also talked about some future topics
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: So, what do you guys think would be good topics for the forums? Have you used the forums? What do you think could be done to make the forums more popular?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Hi Michelle!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: You're late again, but less late than before Smile
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: Yeah, this time it was because I was madly working on a paper on game accessibility! Smile
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome. Okay, we had just wrapped up our intros, but I gues we could let you do one too
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: she does exist!
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: Ok super quick -- I'm the chair emeritus of the SIG -- I was chair for about 8 years before Tara took the healm! Smile
[01/31/11] Brian: Posting links to this forum from other poular and related sites would help draw people. I feel that's an obvious one though.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Honestly, I don't think anyone has said that.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: And I hadn't thought of it, lol
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I mean I posted on FB but that was about it.
[01/31/11] Nelaxani/Lexiani Number XVI/XVII?: Let's see. I just started using the forums and perhaps a way we could attract more people to is by implementing their favorite games into the discussion.
[01/31/11] Brian: Gamasutra sometimes has on-topic posts. Linking to the forum in the comments would bring in like minded folks.
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: One thing i've noticed is that people pretty much universally think alternative controllers are awesome and its great they're out there, but they had no idea they existed in the first place. having a weekly topic to bring links to retailers and controller-makers together all in one thread, and then finding a way to make those links more available i think would be helpful
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: That could be away. Michelle, Dan and I were actually having a discussion on Borderlands earlier
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: That is true. Before Otronicon I had to just send out an email to the SIg asking about where they were, and people can't read my emails
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: Oh cool -- actually I can see the whole thread so I'm reading back on it to see if any of it works into the paper
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: That's a good idea, Max -- "guests of the week(s)" would make forum posting more interesting -- there are a few game blogs that use that technique
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller added Laura Hellinger to this chat
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, one of Max's coworker
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: hii~ =D
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: 's (Erin) recommended that to
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Hello Laura!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: You're a little late, so you've missed introductions
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: hello
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: yeah, sorry ^^'
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Right now we are talking about how to improve the forums
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: http://gameaccesssig.forumotion.com/
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: ok, sweet
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: Hi Laura!
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: Hi Michelle =D
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: has there been any work to identify sympathetic parties in various media outlets (from game informer to kotaku to whatever) that we could actively invite to join the forum or at least lurk?
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: I still cannot figure out what the deal is but there's a super lag for forumotion for me -- I'm still waiting for it to load up!
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: can I add my friend Loren to the chat? She'll be AFK, but she's interested in what's going down, to read for later I guess
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: actively getting those eyes on the forum i think is exceptionally important right now
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: You're the only one Michelle. It hates you so bad
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: I know a few at GameSpot and at Game Informer
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, add who ever
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: oops
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: well im friends with her now Smile
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger added Loren Hernandez to this chat
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: XD
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: Hello
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Hello!
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: Perhaps we little activities on the forums
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: I'm sure the Game Informer contacts would be interested for sure
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: there are two editors there who are very much interested in game accessibility
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: Perhaps we could have little activites on the forums ( sorry about that)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I think with all of the press about that baseball game with one button mode
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: we could biggy back that
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: since its in the news and I know it was on kotaku an g4 and such
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: also any university nuewspapaer or publication that might have budding game journalists. catch them before they make it into the workforce and have them preaching accessibility at ground-level
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I LOVE STUDENTS
[01/31/11] Brian: That's a cool idea Max.
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: yay. I'm a student lol
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: You're my mentee even! Lol
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: Yeah one of the GI editors is my former student!
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: To make it easier for professors to teach accessibility, it'd be great if there were a resource somewhere that would highlight the main points that ought to be taught. Lesson plan so to speak
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: She worked at the U of I paper and then got the job at GI after taking my class on game design studio
[01/31/11] Brian: There are a lot of schools out there. I'm sure there are more than enough folks willing to run a story or two.
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: For sure, Brian
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: i like that idea, Loren. at least a teachers resource.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: @ Loren - Our topic of the week in the forums (http://gameaccesssig.forumotion.com/)
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: There are a few in the SIG interested in creating lesson plans that professors could incorporate into their classes
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: is about teachers
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Oh wait, no it isn't
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: but we have a thread in there about it
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: I know Kevin and I have discussed this for a while (Kevin Bierre, who isn't here tonight)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: it's just not topic of the eek
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: week*
[01/31/11] Brian: Feng Feng Ke from Florida State is trying to start a development program there. Getting in with her at the ground floor would be a decent idea, I feel.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: but a topic none the less
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: It's also a way to link up with the Game Education SIG
[01/31/11] Brian: She was on my recent Global Game Jam team.
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: Just signed up for the forums, I'll take a look
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: yeah, she turned out to the info at GGJ this year too, so she's obviously at least marginally interested
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: our forums are less than 2 weeks so there isnt much in the btw
[01/31/11] Brian: I'd say very much, from talking with her.
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: gotta start somewhere =)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: We could get in contact with her. I mean, I have to have her email then right? Her email was on the score sheet wasn't it?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: (if she was on brians team i mean)
[01/31/11] Brian: I'm not sure. She may have left by then. Her info is on the GGJ site though.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: ok. We'll be be sure to get in contact with her ASAP then.
[01/31/11] Brian: Actually, the program she is looking to get started would have a huge focus on educational game development.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: which totally means it needs to be accessible! SCORE!
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: ooo, cool, there needs to be more efforts educating about educational games (lol)
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: If I may, there are a few games I have seen and played that have a good accessibility feature
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: hold that until the end of the conversation actually.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I want to make sure I cover everythign that happened in this mornings meeting before we add new business
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: although we sort of did that just now
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: ....
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: lol
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: Okay lol. Just let me know ehen
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: lol
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: when*
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: The next point in our discussion was related, and sort of got know where. People started talking/arguing about how we should properly use the website/Facebook/Twitter/Forums
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and I don't think anything really came of that other than
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Facebook events = good
[01/31/11] Brian: Would it be possible to post minutes from meeting like these on the forum?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: We should also use google calender
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: @brian that would be great... even just a copy/paste of the skype chats after each skype meeting in the forum would be useful
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: just so that we have history
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Right now we have planned to do it on the website- but I could just do it on the forums instead
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I actually have the whole transcript of this morning's meeting that was going to summarize, because it got a little of topic at times.
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: it'd probably be easier to just do it on the forum, unless the website has some sort of blog functionality already installed
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Website or Forums for meeting summaries/ transcripts? Thoughts?
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: depends on the target audience, i think
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: that and forums have a nice form of backlog lol
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: i'd put it on the website if we'd like to have non-sig members, etc see it
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: here- you can look at the site - igda-gasig.org
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: but if it's just record keeping within the sig, then forums might be better
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: I'd say forums personally, but honestly I think the people looking for meeting minutes will be fine either way, they'll hunt them down
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: yeah I'm there right now actually. I had no clue this existed.. previously to look at accessibility stuff I'd gone to http://www.game-accessibility.com/
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: Mostly because theyre higher on the google search list Wink
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: I believe a forum would be better as well
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: I see there's a twitter feed--you could just post the forum entry to twitter, so someone on either site can get to it well enough
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: It might be a good place to put them. We had been trying to push people off using the emailist list and onto to the forums. Right now people use the email list like they would use a forum a lot of times.
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: yikes
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, our website is only a couple months old and before that it was broken so I'm not surprised we weren't high on the search, lol
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Oh- also, to be an "official" sig member (basically being able to vote on stuff) you have to be on the email list if anyone is interested
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: I am super glad to see the "top ten" list on there... it's shocking how difficult this info is to find
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: we're actually going to be updating that list soon
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: last week
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: last weeks topic was about defining a minimum standard for accessibility
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: excellent
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and then in our how to implement accessibility we have something like 30 ways you can do that
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: Awesome
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: but we want to update it like i said. you can read more about it in the forum actually
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and please go- post what you want ot see, what would be useful to you and so one
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: on*
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: Will do. Want me to post it in the old topic of the week thread?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah, go for it.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: The last comment of that thread actually says that just because the topic isnt that week's topic it doesnt mean the thread is dead.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: just that it wont appear in the summary
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: On a side note: Our summaries of the topic of the week on the website even neccessary>
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: Sorry guys -- I'm a bit AFK but I'm following the conversation in between typing up a paper that a few of us from the morning discussion have been working on that's due in a few days! Smile
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: It's cool Michelle.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Are, not our*
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: my brain is broken.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: because max said he would make dinner and didnt
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: I think it would be good to have
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: I mean, a brief paragraph or so would be nice, but I wouldn't call it necessary
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: sorry for participating Razz
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Smile
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: I agree with Laura, we don't really need it, but its nice to have
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Ok, cool. I'll probably stick with a short Summary then just to put on the website.
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: (PS @Loren -- you are now subscribed to the SIG email list! Smile )
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: (thank you!)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: But I will likely take the meetings transcript off the website, and move them to the forums
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: which will generate more forum traffic anyway
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: which is good.
[01/31/11] Dan Fischbach: Dan Fischbach has left the chat
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Except for Michelle, who for some reason can't get to the forums
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and no one knows why
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: (can I get on the email too~?)
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: You know, we have the ability to make the listserv public (ie, people will see it when searching for game accessibility stuff)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: wait, really?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I had no idea.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Let's do that
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: laura http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: I win! Wink
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: Ok I'll set it up now!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Max went to sign up too.
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: (thanks XD)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I say we should make the list serv public
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: couldnt' hurt anything right?
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: list serv...?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: that's the email list
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: oh xD
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: it's called a listserv Smile
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: cool. then yeah, I vote public
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: unless signing up only so people can skew voting is a concern, which I wouldn't assume it is
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: it's public now:
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/games_access/
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: No, it will be fine.
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: so we can all download it?
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: you still have to subcribe
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: if you want to send/receive messages
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: but basically google will pick up messages from the past and hopefully increase traffic to the SIG (I recently added the SIG website address to the footer of each message as well)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I'm going to add a link to that on the website too
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: (laura -- you've been added)
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: (ty =D)
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: as soon as i get the emails from others, i'll add anyone else as well! Smile
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: link added to the website!
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: So I'm reading the minimum standards thread and you guys have already said everything I had to say. I'm super excited about this group, this will be an awesome resource
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: Smile
[01/31/11] Brian: I signed up for ....something.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Cool. I hope you become and active member and get all posty up in the forums Smile
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: The email list? Lol
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Or the forums?
[01/31/11] Brian: I think so.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Ok. Michelle will approve you and then you'll get a few emails a day from the SIG and information about meetings and stuff from me
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: I've done both I believe
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome.
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: it takes a few minutes for me to get the emails -- as soon as i get the sign up request, i approved them (we've had tons of spammers so we have a list approval)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Alright. Well that was awesome. I'm glad to see new faces in the SIG!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: also, we're going to be at GDC and having our round table if any of you are going to be there
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: I'll be volunteering~ =D
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: i will!
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: Super cool, I'll be there
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: besides me, max, and michellem and brian... 'cause we're rooming together, lool
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: can't wait
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Maybe brian.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Brian is somewhere.
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: I wish I could go, but I can't afford such a trip.
[01/31/11] Brian: Is here
[01/31/11] Brian: Me Brian?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Yeah.
[01/31/11] Brian: Ok, After this, give me a call. We can talk about those details later. Cool?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Sounds good. You don't have to if you don't want to. Emily just asked before if we were an option and we said it was cool.
[01/31/11] Brian: Also, Is the round table for a cetain level of GDC pass?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: um, let me check really quick
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: main conf
[01/31/11] Brian: Yeah. I went expo.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: "Eligible Passes: Expo Pass, All Access Pass, Main Conference Pass"
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: you're good to go
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: I think it reads expo main conf all access
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: wow, that's exciting
[01/31/11] Brian: Great!
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: I'm one of those goofy audio pass guys, hopefully you won't mind me sneaking in...
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I'm sure it won't be a problem.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I'm sure if you walk in with me or Michelle no one would try and stop you
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: the SIG roundtable can be accessed by anyone
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: with a pass
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: but the CA's are pretty strict as for the rest of the conference
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: last year the CA's were told to be pretty harsh about it, but I think if you have your IGDA membership ribbon, you're allowed to any of the SIG meetings. (last year, anyway... lol)
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: (I'll try and volunteer to work the SIG ;D)
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: since I can't go, I'll tell my friends who are going to check out the round table conference
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome. I'm looking forward to seeing everyone .
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: yeah they know that the IGDA sessions are SIG meetings versus "content" sessions so they have finally decided to let people in without freaking out so much@
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: but still....expect some freaking out. Wink
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: UBM gives us a lot of crap about it : (
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: yes they do...
[01/31/11] michelle hinn: they are hard to work with as well
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Alright, so I'm trying to think if there was anything else that was covered. Oh! We talked about new art for the site
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Robert was going to make something to put on the front page.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: @Brian - would you be interesting at making a banner or background?
[01/31/11] Brian: Sure, that would be a fun project.
[01/31/11] Brian: I'd need dimensions, desired topic for the art....things like that.
[01/31/11] Brian: Deadline?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: When ever you want.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I will email you the rest of the details off list since I don't know them off the top of my head.
[01/31/11] Brian: Ok
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: @Michelle - was there anyting else about from the morning meeting we havent gone over?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Oh, if you guys have interesting topic of the week ideas, or who you would like the guest speakers to be let me know
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I may just actually make those topics in the forum.... in which case you would comment there
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: hmm can't think of one at the moment
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: oh, i think the only other thing is we are going to get rid of the wiki
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: we're going to pull the information off it
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and put it on the site
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: can you make polls in the forum
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: but not have a wiki
[01/31/11] Max Voelker: might be a good idea to take polls for upcoming topic of the week
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: the igda site cant be trusted
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and no one updates it
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and ... yes?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: i think so?
[01/31/11] Brian: Polls would be a good idea.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: yes- we can have polls
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: just confirmed that
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: yay =D
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome. I hadn't even thought about polls. i'm glad to know they are there and we have a reason to use them
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: well everyone, i hate to tell people to stop talking, but we've been going for almost 2 hours
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: oh wow, I hadn't noticed it'd been that long ._.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: oh wait, no, it started at 730
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: i cant tell time
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: still, hour and half Smile
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: i guess we could go a little longer, although i had still only thought this would be an hour
[01/31/11] Brian: It was nice to meet new people.
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: it was nice to see so many new people come!
[01/31/11] Loren Hernandez: Yeah it was great to meet you all
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: what else can we dicuss?
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: likewise, glad to see all of the effort being put into this SIG, can't wait to jump in and join the discussion
[01/31/11] Nazer Lagrimas: I wish some of the others would do the same Smile
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: I think we've covered pretty much everything. Youll get emails via listserv when the meeting notes are posted online (then you can read about this mornings meeting)
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: and hopefully everyone will be in forums, making posts and helping us grow as a community!
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: I'll do my best =D
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: do i have to sign up to listserv or will it come to me automatically for being on the forums
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: go to this link
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: for listserv
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: (forum and email stuff isnt linked0
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: we will have another meeting in about a month. It'll be posted on the website/facebook/blah blah blah
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: kew
[01/31/11] Jherika Howze: I signed up for listserv now
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: wait, so will that meeting be different from the SIG session at GDC?
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: yeah.
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: kk
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: it will be another meeting like this
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: but it will be towards the end of feb to kind of pump everyone up for the GDC meeting
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: ahhh, neat. ok :]
[01/31/11] Laura Hellinger: alrighty then, I'm hopping out of the chat. It was nice meeting you all!
[01/31/11] Tara Tefertiller: Awesome. Alright, well I'm out. Have a good night everyone! Thanks so much for coming!

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